Huckabee, Jesus and Satan

Posted by johnhouk on Dec 14, 2007
 John R. Houk
© December 14, 2007

Mormon Apologists have said that the statement “Jesus and Satan are brothers” is a Mormon smear by Christians that do not accept Mormonism as a Christian denomination.

Frankly I am in the camp that believes that Mormonism is a cult with more in common with ancient Gnosticism of which some Gnostics incorporated Jesus Christ into their belief system. I believe devout Mormons have the same ethics as devout Christians; however the differences of Mormon theology is way outside theology of Christians that are Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestants.

The primary difference is the Trinity.

The majority of Christians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three persons. Trinity is total unity and uncreated and act as one much as a human being is a spirit, that has a soul (the mental faculties) and lives in a body. Humanity is three in one yet created.

The non-expert explanation of the Mormon Trinity is the “Godhead.”

The Father created spirits of which Jesus and Lucifer were of those created beings. For Christians that is an insinuation of brothers, for Mormons I guess it is an action of creating beings or spirits that will be housed by a body (remember not an expert).

Either way you look at it in the Mormon cult Jesus is a created being and not of the same nature as the Father.

From the pro-Mormon explanation I read of this, the Father placed the created Jesus as part of the Godhead. I don’t know how that works but it implies that the Uncreated Father and the created Jesus along with the Holy Spirit (I haven’t enough to know if the Holy Spirit is created or Uncreated) are part of the “Godhead.” Thus the “Godhead” is made up of created and Uncreated substance.

Now in typical Christianity the closest to the created and the Uncreated being one is ONLY in Jesus Himself. Jesus being fully God and Uncreated with the Father and Holy Spirit yet incarnated into the likeness of a human through the fully human Mary. Thus Jesus is fully Uncreated God and fully created (via incarnation) human. It is Jesus’ sinless humanity (because of the incarnation) that pays the price to redeem corrupted humanity (Deliverance and Salvation) by an unjustified condemnation to death. Thus the Resurrection power of God raised the God incarnate from death back to life restoring not only the Glorified substance of Godhood but Glorifying the human substance with a Glorified human body. Thus as Christ is so shall all be that trust in Him.

The Gnostic Mormon Jesus of being a created higher being that will lead lower beings to godhood simply does not line up.

So for Mike Huckabee to ask, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?" is a legitimate question for Christians to ask. Mormons may not agree with the Christian interpretation; nonetheless no matter how you go about it, Jesus is considered just as much a created being as Lucifer in Mormonism. The former joined the Mormon “Godhood” and the latter rebelled against his Creator Father transforming from Lucifer to the Adversary Satan.

Do Romney and any other American have the right to believe this cult as their religion? Of course they do, this is America in which freedom of religion is a stellar right not to be abridged by the Government.

Do Christians have the right to question the legitimacy of Mormonism as a Christian denomination? Absolutely! Mormonism does not meet the basic standard as Christianity.

Now if we can get the Christians together and drop their petty differences over Pentecostalism, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditionalism and sanctified rituals among other truly trivial differences; then Christians can begin to stop accusing each other as not being Christians.

I do not want a Mormon President; however I especially do not want a godless Leftist that subscribes to Secular Humanism as the standard of morality that either denies the Creator or views the Creator as a mythos philosophical system that is archaic and outdated relative to modern comparative morals. That system makes the creation superior to the Creator. As a Christian, I view that as bad news.

So here is the way I see it, I will vote Republican no matter who wins the nomination. Even a socially liberal Giuliani would be better than a Democratic Party Leftist.

That is right Lefties; I am placing religion in politics. Good faith makes for the best opportunity to reverse the violence and moral degradation the Democrats have supported and transformed this nation in which the rule of law accepts homosexuality and pornography as freedom of expression. That is simply Constitutional manipulation allowing the portion of the Judiciary that is Leftist to exterminate Christianity. And frankly, that is specifically against the First Amendment. Keeping religion out of government is prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The government is only to insure that no religion be adopted as a State religion and even that inference is toward Christian Denominations. Non-Christian religions were not in the thought processes of the Founding Fathers – even the Deists.

Before those of the Judaic faith hammer at me, I believe there were Jews in the Thirteen Colonies thus I believe the inference relates to the Judaic faith of which the incarnate God Jesus was wholly a member in the thirty-three years He walked the earth as a Son of Man.

Vote Republican to hold off Secular Humanism social agenda to transform America into a secular non-Christian hedonistic nation.

JRH
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DO MORMONS CONSIDER LUCIFER TO BE THE BROTHER OF JESUS?

Prepared by: Harley Johnson
Minor editing by Cooper Abrams
Aug 18, 1994
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Mormonism Essay

The Mormon teaching that Jesus and Satan are brothers is based on their concept of God being the Father of all pre-existent spirits. Since Jesus is the son of the Father and all other spirits, including Satan, are sons and daughters of the Father then all are brothers and sisters! This idea has been part of Mormon teaching from the time of Joseph Smith and continues today. Few LDS authorities have been bold enough to plainly state this.

Please note what Mormon prophets and church officials have had to say about the matter. From their writings it is clear that they believed and taught that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.

Bruce R. McConkie, in his work The Mortal Messiah, Vol.1, Pg.407-408 under the heading " Lucifer and the Law of Temptation" has the following to say;

    "Hence, there is -- and must be -- a devil, and he is the father of lies and of wickedness. He and the fallen angels who followed him are spirit children of the Father. As Christ is the Firstborn of the Father in the spirit, so Lucifer is a son of the morning, one of those born in the morning of preexistence. He is a spirit man, a personage, an entity, comparable in form and appearance to any of the spirit children of the Eternal Father. He was the source of opposition among the spirit hosts before the world was made; he rebelled in preexistence against the Father and the Son, and he sought even then to destroy the agency of man. He and his followers were cast down to earth, and they are forever denied mortal bodies. And he, here on earth, along with all who follow him -- both his spirit followers and the mortals who hearken to his enticements -- is continuing the war that commenced in heaven."


Joseph Fielding Smith Jr.,the LDS prophet, wrote in his work, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, Pg.218 -Pg.219

    "We learn from the scriptures that Lucifer -- once a son of the morning, who exercised authority in the presence of God before the foundations of this earth were laid -- rebelled against the plan of salvation and against Jesus Christ who was chosen to be the Savior of the world and who is spoken of as the 'Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.'"


In the Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54 he lets it be known that Lucifer is the second son, the one known as "Son of the Morning."

    "Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?" The Eldest Son said: "Here am I"; and then he added, "Send me." But the second one, which was "Lucifer, Son of the Morning," said, "Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth."


In the work of Otten & Caldwell, Sacred Truths of the Doctrine & Covenants, Vol.2, Pg.28 it is found that Lucifer rebelled against his "Heavenly Father."

    "We also learn that Lucifer ... was in authority..." in the premortal life. (See D&C 76:25) Authority in the presence of God is known to us as priesthood. In other words, Lucifer held the priesthood. We know that Lucifer rebelled against his Heavenly Father. One of the great insights given in this vision was the way this rebellion was manifested."


Through reading John A. Widtsoe's work Evidences and Reconciliations, Pg.209, it is learned that Lucifer strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ and became Satan, the enemy of God.

    "The story of Lucifer is the most terrible example of such apostasy. Lucifer, son of the morning, through diligent search for truth and the use of it, had become one of the foremost in the assembly of those invited to undertake the experiences of earth. But, in that Great Council, his personal ambition and love of power overcame him. He pitted his own plan and will against the purposes of God. He strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ. When his proposition was rejected, he forsook all that he had gained, would not repent of his sin, defied truth, and of necessity lost his place among the followers of God. He was no longer Lucifer, bearer of truth, who walked in light, but Satan, teacher of untruth, who slunk in darkness. He became the enemy of God and of all who try to walk according to the Lord's commandments. One-third of the spirits present in that vast assembly supported Satan and became enemies of the truth that they had formerly cherished. With him these rebellious spirits lost their fellowship with the valiant sons of God. What is more, they lost the privilege of obtaining bodies of flesh and blood, without which they cannot gain full power over the forces of the universe. In the face of that defeat, and that curse, they have sought from Adam to the present time to corrupt mankind and defeat the Lord's purposes."


James E. Talmage in his book, "Jesus the Christ," on Pages 132 & 133, discusses the council that is supposed to have taken place concerning "Free Agency" and the attack on it by Lucifer. He states that Christ may not have remembered the part He had taken in the great council of the "Gods" where the Firstborn Son's plan was chosen and Lucifer, the rebellious and rejected son's plan was refused.

    "The effrontery of his offer was of itself diabolical. Christ, the Creator of heaven and earth, tabernacled as He then was in mortal flesh, may not have remembered His preexistent state, nor the part He had taken in the great council of the Gods; while Satan, an unembodied spirit -- he the disinherited, the rebellious and rejected son -- seeking to tempt the Being through whom the world was created by promising Him part of what was wholly His, still may have had, as indeed he may yet have, a remembrance of those primeval scenes. In that distant past, antedating the creation of the earth, Satan, then Lucifer, a son of the morning, had been rejected; and the Firstborn Son had been chosen. Now that the Chosen One was subject to the trials incident to mortality, Satan thought to thwart the divine purpose by making the Son of God subject to himself. He who had been vanquished by Michael and his hosts and cast down as a defeated rebel, asked the embodied Jehovah to worship him. "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and behold, angels came and ministered unto him."


Neal A. Maxwell, in his book Deposition of a Disciple, on Pages 11 & 12 informs those interested that;

    "Lucifer knew about this plan, and his very pleading was real rebellion. The scriptures tell us plainly that he sought a throne above the stars and God. (2 Nephi 24:13.) Therefore, he was from the beginning a serious rebel. President George Q. Cannon said, "He was our brother, sitting side by side with our Redeemer, having equal opportunities with him. But he rebelled. He turned against the Father because he could not have his own way." This council was no abstract exercise. It reflected a deep, deep difference. Lucifer, by what he did, told us much more about himself than about his so-called offer. Clearly, he was already becoming an outsider, using (and trying to profit from) an insider's information."


Sterling W. Sill, writing for the Improvement Era, December 1970, Pg.79 states that the Son of God is Jehovah the warrior

    "We have national holidays to commemorate the birthdays of George Washington, the father of his country, and Abraham Lincoln, who saved it from dissolution. Both were our commanders-in-chief during important wars. Some of our more recent war heroes were John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and our present great commander-in-chief, Richard M. Nixon. We should also keep in mind that the greatest of all military men was the Son of God himself. In the war in heaven, he led the forces of righteousness against the rebellion of Lucifer. We can also draw great significance from the fact that before the Savior of the world was the Prince of Peace, he was Jehovah the warrior."


Joseph Fielding Smith's Gospel Doctrine, on Page 371 states that;

    "The devil knows the Father much better than we. Lucifer, the son of the morning, knows Jesus Christ, the Son of God, much better than we; but in him it is not and will not redound to eternal life; for knowing, he yet rebels; knowing, he is yet disobedient; he will not receive the truth; he will not abide in the truth; hence he is perdition, and there is no salvation for him."


Bruce R. McConkie, in his definitive work, Mormon Doctrine, on page 744, says;

    "This name-title of Satan (Son of the Morning), indicates he was one of the early born spirit children of the Father. Always used in association with the name Lucifer, son of the morning also apparently signifies son of light or son of prominence, meaning that Satan held a position of power and authority in pre-existence. (D. & C. 76:25-27; Isa. 14:12-20.)"


To plainly state that Jesus (Jehovah) and Lucifer (Satan) are brothers the writings of Spencer W. Kimball, the LDS prophet, must be considered;

Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, Pg.95

    "There is another power in this world forceful and vicious. In the wilderness of Judaea, on the temple's pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim."


Spencer W. Kimball, Faith Precedes the Miracle, Pg.87

    "There is another power in this world, forceful and vicious. In the wilderness of Judea, on the temple's pinnacle and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim. When physically weak from fasting, Christ was tempted by Lucifer: "If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread." (Luke 4:3.) "Similarly Satan had contended for the subservience of Moses. Satan, also a son of God, had rebelled and had been cast out of heaven and not permitted an earthly body as had his brother Jehovah. Much depended upon the outcome of this spectacular duel. Could Lucifer control and dominate this prophet Moses, who had learned so much directly from his Lord?"


Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pg.216, The Savior's Example

    "The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior's example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, Pg.67, AUTHOR OF SALVATION

    "Thus when the Father presented his own plan in the pre-existent council, he asked for volunteers from whom he could choose a Redeemer to be born into mortality as the Son of God. Lucifer offered to become the Son of God on condition that the terms of the Father's plan were modified to deny men their agency and to heap inordinate reward upon the one working out the redemption. Christ, on the other hand, accepted the Father's plan in full, saying, "Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever." Our Lord was then foreordained to a mission which in due course he fulfilled, which mission enabled him to make salvation available to all men. (Moses 4:1-4; Abra. 3:22-28.)"


The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, Pg.33

    "But thank God that there were enough sane and sagacious souls on the side of truth and wisdom and the rebellious souls were vanquished as to the eternal and ultimate program. The principal personalities in this great drama were a Father Elohim, perfect in wisdom, judgment, and person, and two sons, Lucifer and Jehovah. (12/19/59)"

    "Satan tempted both Christ and Moses. There is another power in this world forceful and vicious. In the wilderness of Judaea, on the temple's pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim. When physically weak from fasting, Christ was tempted by Lucifer: "If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread." (Luke 4:3.)"


The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, Pg.163

    "The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior's example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by saying, "All right, Satan, I'll listen to your proposition. I need not succumb, I need not yield, I need not accept -- but I'll listen."


Now let us look at what the Bible, God's Word has to say on the matter:

John 1:14, " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 1:18, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:18, " He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,"

1John 4:9, "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."
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Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31)
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 Huckabee, Jesus and Satan
John R. Houk
© December 14, 2007
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